The Connected Mom

Becky Harling (00:02.844)
We are recording. Welcome to the Connected Mom Podcast where we have real conversations, helping you to connect more deeply with God, more empathically with your fellow moms, and more intentionally with your child. I'm Becky Harling, your host, and I have with me today, my amazing co-host, Sarah Wildman. Hey, Sarah.

Sarah (00:27.406)
Hey, Becky. It's great to be on and we have a great guest today. You know, we always have great guests, but a lot of them have pointed us to prayer, right? Like prayer is so crucial in being a mom. But I do know from experience that sometimes we can also feel guilty about our prayer lives, especially when we're in the thick of moming, as I say. We hear a lot of shoulds, right? What if prayer doesn't feel natural or...

Becky Harling (00:37.042)
Yes.

Becky Harling (00:52.253)
Yes.

Sarah (00:53.666)
goodness, I can't even stay awake in the morning if I'm having a quiet time. I mean, you know, we're all different. And so I think what I'm really excited about today is that our guest really acknowledges that things are a little different for everybody. So I'll let you take it from there.

Becky Harling (01:09.42)
Yeah. So we are talking about prayer today. And again, one of Sarah and I, uh, one of our chief goals for this podcast is to not make you feel guilty because we happen to think that there's enough guilt in the motherhood journey. So we don't want to add to that, but our guest today is amazing. She's one of my favorite people. Her name is Janet McHenry and Janet has been writing about prayer for a lot of years. She actually has written

27 books. I can't even wrap my mind around that. But one of her bestselling books was Prayer Walking. And I remember reading it back in the day, right when I was diagnosed with breast cancer. And I would take a prayer walk every day leading up to the surgery. And Janet's words really ministered to me during those seasons. But today we're talking about Janet's new book called...

praying personalities. And I don't know about you, but I am so intrigued by this because, you know, we know there are all kinds of personality tests out there. You've probably done the Enneagram or Strength Finders or the Myers-Briggs. And I just can't wait to dive into this conversation about our prayer personalities and the fact that we are all wired.

Janet McHenry (02:25.635)
I'm going to go ahead and turn it off.

Becky Harling (02:27.892)
differently. So welcome, Janet. It is delightful to have you with us today.

Janet McHenry (02:34.207)
I'm so excited to be here with you ladies. Thank you for having me.

Becky Harling (02:39.512)
Yeah. So let's dive right in. I mean, you talk about praying personalities and I, I kind of love that. And so what are, what, how are praying personalities? Like what made you pick that as your topic? Where did you come up with this idea?

Janet McHenry (03:00.075)
Well, I was one of those women. I had to begin to recognize that I was developing a lot of shoulds, even in my prayers. Like, we hear them all the time, right? Like, you should have a prayer closet and go there an hour a day, or you should have a prayer journal and write out all your prayers, or you should have a notebook and...

date your prayers and keep track of when the answers come and all of that. And that's all fine and good, but sometimes that doesn't feel like us. Well, you know, but I was still that person because I was so crazy about the practice of prayer walking that I would say, oh, you should, you should go out and walk and pray for your community as you're walking. And, you know, consider that your ministry for your town. And so I was one of the shoulds. And

But as I spoke about that, even across the country here and there, there'd always be someone who would come up to me and say, but Janet, I can't walk. What do I do? And so that kind of hung with me until a couple of years ago, I was doing a presentation about how writers can incorporate even more prayer into their lives because if we're writing for Jesus, we need to be praying, right?

Becky Harling (03:56.692)
Yeah!

Sarah (03:56.714)
Hehehe

Janet McHenry (04:23.891)
And then all of a sudden I heard myself say, I had, you know, we have these moments sometimes, you know, it's like, oh my goodness. I heard myself say, perhaps it has something to do with our God-given personality. I'm like, oh, whoa, there it is. You know, and so I began this exploration of God's word. I'm like, so if this is true that we would potentially pray in different ways, because you've given us all different personalities, let me find this Lord.

Becky Harling (04:24.688)
Yes.

Sarah (04:24.826)
Hmm.

Sarah (04:36.226)
Hmm.

Becky Harling (04:36.468)
Mmmm

Sarah (04:40.238)
So cool.

Janet McHenry (04:52.871)
And it was true, and I looked at Moses' life. He argued with God. We have two chapters or more of arguments with Moses and God as to why he cannot lead the children out of Israel, out of, excuse me, out of Egypt. And then we have, you know, someone like Hannah, who is crying out of her angst, you know, her pain, because she can't have a child. So she's lamenting with God. God answers her prayer.

Becky Harling (05:15.36)
Mmm.

Janet McHenry (05:20.027)
next chapter for Samuel 2nd we see that she is giving praise and thanksgiving to the Lord. So just a very emotional kind of a makeup. And then you know then we have those who combined fasting with prayer and they had very disciplined kind of approaches to their prayer lives you know such as Ezra, Nehemiah, Daniel and so forth. I'm like

Sarah (05:31.126)
Mm.

Becky Harling (05:41.018)
Hmm.

Janet McHenry (05:44.543)
Okay, so as I looked at these dozens of praying people in the Bible, their prayers, their praying practices, and then kind of even focusing on the life of Jesus, see that there are all different kinds of ways that we can approach God. We get different kinds of praying styles, different times we pray, different places we pray, and that perhaps it does has something to do with our God-given personality.

Becky Harling (06:05.882)
Hmm.

Becky Harling (06:13.416)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah (06:14.219)
That's so cool, Janet. So when you were studying those different praying styles in Scripture, was there one that kind of surprised you? Or maybe even somebody that's new to the faith? Is there one that maybe we wouldn't think of as prayer but really is?

Janet McHenry (06:31.607)
Well, perhaps maybe the one that I resonate the most with is Paul. And in the book, I call me on the run intercessor with every single letter. You know, he begins it prayerfully. I'm praying for you. With the end of it, he offers a blessing or a benediction, you know, so we know he's praying again. He's in difficult circumstances. He's being chased. He's being abused.

and yet he's offering up prayers in the midst of all that. And I'm not saying I'm this holier kind of Paul figure at all, but I did resonate with the idea that as he saw the problems within the various churches, that he turned to prayer. So I call this the problem solver. Someone who has a problem,

Becky Harling (07:26.74)
Hmmm

Janet McHenry (07:27.603)
And maybe we are this kind of fix-it kind of people. We have this natural instinct to try to fix people's problems. But as we grow in our faith, perhaps we eventually learn that we need to take everything to the problem solver, our Lord God. And so we begin to see prayer as a place where we go every time we see a concern, whether that's ours or someone else's.

Becky Harling (07:46.268)
Hmm.

Becky Harling (07:55.792)
Okay. So we all have different personalities. Um, we all have different strengths and weaknesses. I know for me in all of my writing journey, I've been real authentic about my journey with anxiety. And so it's often my anxiety that leads me to my knees. You talked about a problem solver. Are there like certain patterns?

that should be in everybody's prayer life no matter what your personality is. I mean, what do we do with that?

Janet McHenry (08:28.752)
Yeah, I, you know, part of my purpose in writing the book was to sort of take people off the hook. You know, to let's approach this guilt free first of all. But I think if we completely allow ourselves to be off the hook in prayer and only see prayer is something that I'm doing as I'm on the run, you know, a quick help here, help there. Save me, Lord.

Becky Harling (08:37.68)
Yeah, I love that.

Sarah (08:41.261)
Mm-hmm.

Becky Harling (08:53.798)
Mm-hmm.

Janet McHenry (08:55.295)
that we're maybe missing the actual purpose of prayer, because prayer is less about answers and it's more about access. We have access to the living God who desires a personal relationship with us. And so if we're missing that whole component of having fellowship, that relationship with God, I think we are gonna be hurting. We are gonna be in that place where we feel a vacuum.

Sarah (08:55.895)
Yes.

Becky Harling (09:03.544)
Yes.

Janet McHenry (09:24.415)
And that's what God wants us to do, simply to come with Him with everything. Everything we've got, open hands, saying here's my day, Lord, I'm trusting you for this, I've got this situation, this problem, I'm giving them over to you, I'm gonna look for you throughout my day and I'm gonna ask you for your help. And then at the end of the day, perhaps we get to a posture where we're thinking we can actually look back and see God's presence throughout the day and then say,

Sarah (09:29.998)
Hmm.

Janet McHenry (09:53.843)
here I am Lord, speak your servant is listening, you know, and just wait for God's final words before we sleep.

Becky Harling (09:55.282)
Hmm

Sarah (10:05.403)
I love that, Janet. Okay, so if this is a totally new subject to some of us, this prayer personalities, I think I know the answer to this question. There's not one style that's better than another, but what might be just real briefly the first step to even figure out like, what is my personality type, you know?

Becky Harling (10:06.044)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah (10:27.006)
I hear these people, they're including all this scripture, they can go on and on and that's great, but that maybe isn't my style, you know? Or maybe, yeah, maybe it's the problem answer but what would you say besides getting your book? I mean, we definitely want people to get your book so there's that there. But what is the first step you think in looking at your own self and what it might be?

Janet McHenry (10:34.267)
Yeah.

Janet McHenry (10:50.335)
You know, when I was a younger adult, I became fascinated with the studies of personality, you know, the temperaments, other kinds of personality studies, Meyers-Briggs, you know, Big Five, you name it. And so what I did was examined eight of those personality theories. And I think it's really important to emphasize that these are man-made theories.

Becky Harling (11:07.484)
Yes.

Janet McHenry (11:18.855)
and that if we truly want to know who we are, to really to dig into God's word and allow that to speak truth into our lives. But I looked at each of these eight that I think are some of the most popular everywhere from Greek temperaments to the Enneagram. And we look at the underlying questions. You know, you can go online and take all kinds of personality quizzes and they may not necessarily be reliable.

Becky Harling (11:38.848)
Mm-hmm.

Janet McHenry (11:48.319)
because we aren't often the best assessor of who we actually are. But if we look at the underlying questions, which is what I did in the book, was like I asked the questions, you know, without specific answers, they're like an essay question, you know, they're open-ended questions. And then I think that can help lead us to learn more about who we are.

Sarah (11:58.21)
So true.

Becky Harling (11:58.552)
Mm-hmm.

Becky Harling (12:11.141)
Yeah.

Janet McHenry (12:16.223)
In other words, how do we mentally process? How do we make decisions? How do we judge? All of those kinds of questions. How do we react with other people? Are we more introverted, extroverted, et cetera? There are many of those kinds of questions in the book. And for each of those personality theories, then I offer, OK, so if this resonates with you,

perhaps these kinds of prayer pointers would be helpful for you to think about or consider. So there are literally hundreds of different kinds of what I call prayer pointers in the book to help people as they're resonating with, oh yeah, I took the Myers-Briggs, you know, and I was a such and such. And so I think this would, you know, this kind of praying style would work for me. So there's a lot of freedom.

Sarah (13:09.399)
Hmm.

Janet McHenry (13:13.763)
It's called the praying personalities quiz and that's at pray And so people can do that, can go there and then they can learn more about their praying personality and then you know decide if they want to learn a little bit more.

Becky Harling (13:18.321)
Mm-hmm.

Sarah (13:18.702)
Cool.

Becky Harling (13:21.821)
Yeah.

Sarah (13:33.39)
Great.

Becky Harling (13:33.424)
Okay, so I actually have two questions for you. One of the first things I hear universally from almost every mom is they're either morning people or night people. Now, when I learned about prayer, the rule was you were supposed to spend time with Jesus first thing in the morning.

Sarah (13:36.587)
Uh oh.

Becky Harling (13:56.7)
Well, that was easy for me because I'm naturally a morning person. I mean, Sarah knows this about me. I forget sometimes and text her at five in the morning. Anyway, but if my, if my prayer life depended on me praying for long periods of time at 10 o'clock or 11 o'clock at night, I would not get far in my prayer life at all. So there's the whole.

Sarah (14:06.45)
Yes.

Janet McHenry (14:08.718)
Hahaha!

Janet McHenry (14:22.627)
Great.

Becky Harling (14:24.2)
guilt piece, like people seem more inclined toward one time a day or another. And then my second question is, what about you, Janet? What type of personality in prayer do you have and how did that play out in your parenting journey and you now have grandkids? How does that play out in your life?

Janet McHenry (14:34.871)
Ha ha ha.

Janet McHenry (14:46.947)
Well, I think that first off the morning evening person question, there is freedom. And we see that in Jesus life himself. You know, we have scripture that tells us that he very early in the morning he get up and went and went to pray. And then we have scripture that tells us that he went up the mountain, you know, outside Capernaum and that he was praying all night long. He was praying in.

Becky Harling (14:53.862)
Yes!

Becky Harling (15:06.63)
Yes.

Sarah (15:16.11)
Hmm.

Janet McHenry (15:16.387)
crowds, he was praying, you know, in private places. He does admonish us, you know, in we have in the Sermon on the Mount to find a quiet place to pray. And for me, my rhythm was when I was teaching high school English was to get up in the morning and to go walk and to pray. And that was a five o'clock routine that I was doing as well, Becky.

And so for me, I would go out and eventually was praying for an hour, hour and a half during my walk. So now that I'm retired though, and I live with a man who is a night owl, my high school sweetheart hubby, so things have changed in my life. We sleep later in the morning. And just so I think personal rhythms,

Sarah (15:46.453)
Hmm.

Becky Harling (15:46.478)
Mm.

Becky Harling (16:02.793)
Yess

Janet McHenry (16:14.003)
maybe we have something that's more instinctive just because of how we're made up. And so if a morning routine works for you, that's fine. But if evening routine works, that's fine. I just hope that people develop a routine and that eventually, and this is the underlying purpose of the book, to develop a sense that you are with God all day long. Because I learned from my friend

Sarah (16:32.712)
Mm.

Janet McHenry (16:43.787)
who wrote 25 books on prayer, you know that what we want to have is less of a prayer life. You know, I'm sticking prayer into this pocket or that pocket of time, but to have a praying lifestyle where we have that sense that God is with me all day long. You know, I was a busy mom, four kids, I worked a job as a full-time English teacher. It was hard, I totally understand the demands, but...

Becky Harling (16:46.368)
Mm-mm. Yes.

Janet McHenry (17:13.715)
those days when I got to the end of the day and I finally hit the sack you know and I'm thinking oh yeah God there you are I forgot I'm so sorry so what I began I think for me what prayer walking did was to develop the sense of wherever we are there's a need for prayer you have prayer walking eyes and so if you wherever you are whether you're prayer walking or you're in the

Sarah (17:21.806)
Thank you.

Becky Harling (17:34.228)
Hmm, I love that.

Sarah (17:35.298)
Mm-hmm.

Janet McHenry (17:43.563)
There is a need for prayer. And it's just a matter of just being, just kind of flipping a little bit of a mental switch there to understand that God's purposed us to be there in that moment. Look around, pray, and then be open to God's Spirit leading you to help others with their situations.

Sarah (18:08.838)
That's very helpful. Okay, I have a really short story. I want to give an example. I was in a Christian college as a freshman, and they literally had a prayer room in the bottom of our dorm. And I was very ambitious, and I thought, the most godly people I know are morning people. I'm going to be this morning person. I'm not a morning person. Spoiler alert. And I get down to the prayer chapel, and I lock it, and I have my Bible.

Janet McHenry (18:29.963)
Hahaha

Sarah (18:37.162)
and I'm trying to read and pray. The next thing I know, you guys, I don't know how long it was, I hear this knock on the door of somebody trying to get in. I had fallen asleep on the floor of the prayer chapel, trying to read my Bible. Here I was, and I thought, I think the Lord just wanted me to have a nap, actually, to start the day. So it was just, I'll never forget feeling like such a failure, but also...

Becky Harling (18:50.665)
Ah!

Janet McHenry (19:00.491)
Yes, it's okay.

Sarah (19:04.054)
Sometimes we learn by trial and error, you know, on what we really are.

Becky Harling (19:08.972)
Yes, yes, I love that story, Sarah.

Janet McHenry (19:09.943)
Exactly.

Sarah (19:12.114)
just falling asleep in the prayer chapel. So that was me. That was okay. So in a serious way, Janet, I know that your book also includes a section on spiritual gifts. And I love that because I'm sure there's a lot of times but how did those relate to prayer personalities just generally?

Janet McHenry (19:31.863)
Well, I tried to explore different ways that we, you know, had God has created us differently. And so in addition to examining those different kinds of personality theories, there also was a chapter, for example, on learning styles. Because, you know, like you just pointed out, there are morning people, there are evening people, right? OK. And there are some people taken audibly, some people taken visually, some people are more kinesthetic.

Sarah (19:50.894)
Hmm

Sarah (19:56.32)
Right.

Janet McHenry (20:01.315)
So I take a look at those and I take a look at the generational praying styles because I think that how we grew up and what prayer looked to us like in our childhood years or young adult years, that could be a big influence as to what might seem natural to us. And then I began to think, oh, okay, so how about all the spiritual gifts, you know, that God has, you know, provided us?

Sarah (20:03.927)
Right.

Becky Harling (20:10.88)
Mm-hmm.

Janet McHenry (20:29.183)
you know, perhaps there is a connection to prayer there. And whoa, yes, shouldn't there be a connection to prayer? And the way, you know, the way that we approach the use of our spiritual gift. So I look at each of those and I examine them just, I just do scripture there. I didn't bring in necessarily other people's thoughts. I looked at the Greek and tried to, tried to discern exactly what, you know, what's the intention of the gift and then how could, you know, prayer.

Becky Harling (20:42.16)
Mm.

Sarah (20:43.234)
Yeah.

Sarah (20:59.022)
Mm.

Janet McHenry (20:59.095)
help us as we use that gift, as it's manifested within the church.

Sarah (21:07.438)
Hmm.

Becky Harling (21:09.797)
I love that too. There's so much interesting stuff in this new book of yours, Janet. I can't wait to get my hands on it and read it myself. So another thing that I often hear from women is, well, I pray, you know, it usually starts like that. Well, I pray, but I can't tell if my husband prays. And you know, story from my personal life. My husband is paid to be spiritual.

He is the, he was a pastor for years. He is the head of a mission, you know, a mission. And basically, you know, his paycheck is tied to how spiritual he is. And when we're together in a hotel, he's like, I would far rather have a suite because I know you're gonna get up at 5 a.m. And that is not when I wanna pray, you know? And his prayer life looks completely different than mine. So.

Sarah (21:58.734)
Thanks for watching!

Janet McHenry (21:58.899)
Yeah.

Sarah (22:04.066)
Mm.

Becky Harling (22:04.204)
What advice would you give to women who are like, you know what, I want to bring prayer into my family. First of all, my kids are all misbehaving when I'm trying to have family prayer time. My husband isn't really on board. How do I get these people to be spiritual?

Janet McHenry (22:04.673)
Right.

Janet McHenry (22:15.091)
I'm sorry.

Janet McHenry (22:22.975)
I think initially it's a matter of again having that perspective that each of us does have a different kind of praying style and different kinds of praying practices and those praying personalities are going to overlap. They may seasonally change, you know, to give one another the freedom. For example, if you know you're a mom and you...

really want to help develop your children's spiritual lives. You are maybe an outgoing person and so it's natural for you to want to gather all your kiddos around. My daughter has six kids. For her the most natural kind of and the most wonderful experience praying would be everybody praying together in the living room or in the van you know but

to also recognize that your children, your husband may be extremely introverted. And so praying in a public situation, even with you, maybe what he just needs is a little heads up. Maybe the kid needs a little heads up. You know, kiddo, we're gonna pray tonight when we're going to soccer practice in the van.

Becky Harling (23:34.518)
Mmm.

Sarah (23:34.645)
Bye.

Janet McHenry (23:46.131)
and I'd like you to start it. Can you think about that and be ready to pray? So a little heads up, just for those kinds of introverted people, for example. And then some might truly feel unequipped. Maybe they just are just not word people. They're more deed kind of people. And so maybe you could just say, OK, here's a scripture verse. Let's learn and teach children.

Sarah (23:58.722)
Mm-hmm.

Becky Harling (24:05.488)
Mm.

Janet McHenry (24:15.447)
you know, how to use a scripture verse and then help it to jumpstart prayer, or to have a written prayer. Written prayers are perfectly fine and they're great different kinds of anthologies, the prayers that people can use. So that each person in the family feel as though he or she can contribute something.

Becky Harling (24:31.433)
Hmm.

Sarah (24:31.975)
Um.

Becky Harling (24:38.708)
Mm-hmm. I love that.

Sarah (24:42.283)
So Janet, looking back to when you were raising your kids in your home, can you think of a story about how maybe your personality type influenced how you prayed with or maybe for your kids? But any examples of that as a mom?

Janet McHenry (25:00.171)
Well, yeah, I would say before I started prayer walking about 25 years ago, I would probably have considered myself a prayer failure. You know, I started those prayer journals and I actually have volumes and volumes of those prayer journals, but that's just not something that I do anymore. Lament, you know, they're full of laments. I wanna go back there and I think I wanna burn them because I'm not sure what my kids to read them.

Sarah (25:12.331)
Aww.

Sarah (25:23.126)
Hmm.

Janet McHenry (25:31.712)
There was a lot of hopelessness in there in terms of, is our marriage gonna make it? And is our marriage seriously gonna make it, God? And then worrying, you know, over my kids as they were developing, getting a little teary here. Sorry, ladies. And then trying the whole notebook approach where I'm trying to track and keep track of all those prayer requests and everything and

Sarah (25:36.498)
Hmm.

Sarah (25:40.099)
Mm.

Becky Harling (25:40.136)
Mmm.

Becky Harling (25:47.36)
Hmm

Sarah (25:49.651)
Yeah, no.

Becky Harling (25:50.329)
You are great.

Janet McHenry (25:59.223)
failure gone. But I think the most meaningful thing would be on the spot with kids as they're you know they come home they're in a mood you know or one of them's in a mood one of them's just happy as a lark and the other one's just in a mood and so you just find a quiet place for a short conversation and just say do you want to share this you got something going on and then no I don't want to talk about it.

Becky Harling (26:12.045)
Mm-hmm.

Janet McHenry (26:27.327)
Like, well, I'm just gonna pray for you. I don't even ask people, you know, can I pray for you? I'll just say, how can I pray for you? And then I just go ahead and do it. So they know that mom cares, mom's in it, mom's interceding for them, and they see a demonstration that wherever we go, whatever we're experiencing, there's a need for prayer, and that becomes more of a natural kind of a lifestyle for them.

Sarah (26:38.594)
Hmm.

Becky Harling (26:39.547)
Hmm.

Becky Harling (26:59.804)
Thank you for your honesty, Janet. I wonder today for all our moms who are listening, I wonder how many of them feel like, wow, I'm a failure. You know, maybe they've watched the movie War Room and they think, I don't have a prayer closet. Or maybe they're like, yeah, I don't even take a walk like Janet. Or maybe they're thinking, I don't listen to...

praise music. I mean, music really helps me in my prayer journey, but maybe they don't like music. So what would you say to her about feeling like a failure?

Janet McHenry (27:36.991)
Yeah, I think that it's a matter of just kind of exploring God's Word. You know, really go to God's Word as much as you can. Have that five minutes, if you can grab the five minutes with God, and then allow that to speak truth into who you are about that God loves you, God cares about you, He's pursuing a relationship with you, and He simply wants a little bit of time.

and it could be a matter of five minutes. You read a scripture. If you can only read, you know, a short devotional page, then that can be what you need for the moment. And then to sit quietly, hands wide open, here I am, God, here's what's on my plate today. You already know this, God, already, right? But I'm gonna give those concerns over to you and then wait for another moment, say what have you got for me, God?

Becky Harling (28:20.544)
Mm-hmm.

Becky Harling (28:30.645)
Mm-hmm.

Janet McHenry (28:36.307)
and then just be quiet and still. Five minutes. And it seems to me that I remember that Susanna Wesley, you know, that John Wesley's wife, you know, she had a whole parcel, whole parcel of kids. I thought there were seven kids or something. And then, but she would put her apron over her head. She had, she put her apron over her head.

Becky Harling (28:39.016)
Hmm.

Becky Harling (28:46.8)
Yes.

Becky Harling (28:53.456)
I think it was like 19. Yeah. 19.

Janet McHenry (29:00.615)
Yeah, she put her apron over her head, you know, and so the kids knew, okay, mom's praying, you know, leave her alone. If you have to, if you have to close the door, you know, and just say, you can tell your spouse, tell you the oldest kid, you know, mom needs five minutes. I need my five minutes and then I will be there and help you all.

Becky Harling (29:19.974)
Mm-hmm.

Becky Harling (29:24.98)
Hmm. I love that. So, you know, we've talked about a lot today, Janet, and those of you that are listening, I pray you feel encouraged today by this. But Janet, where can our listeners get in touch with you? Where can they get the book? And where can they dive in to figure out, okay, what is my prayer personality?

Sarah (29:26.813)
Mm-hmm.

Janet McHenry (29:50.519)
Well, they can find me on social media, just about anywhere, Janet McHenry. My website is JanetMcHenry.com. And that fun little quiz that I referred to earlier is at pray

Sarah (30:08.554)
Mm-hmm.

Becky Harling (30:09.508)
Okay, and we will have all of these links in the show notes, and I'm assuming they can order your book on Amazon, so we'll have a link. And we really want to encourage you to get this because, like, I think no matter where you are in your prayer journey, just don't quit, you know? Just keep hanging in there and trying. Try to connect with God because He wants to connect with you.

Janet, would you close out our time now by just praying for our moms wherever they're at?

Janet McHenry (30:42.063)
I would love to. Father, we thank you so much that you have created each one of us uniquely. Each of us has a different personality and though some of us can be grouped together, you fashion each of us differently and you love each of us for who we are. We thank you Lord for that God-given personality and we thank you Lord that we can approach you no matter what our situation is.

whether we're in an argumentative mood, whether we are in an emotional mood, whether we are in a headstrong, stubborn kind of a mood, Lord, whether we're in a hopeless kind of a mood. And so we trust you, Lord, for whatever comes in our lives. And we thank you for the opportunity to be able to have relationship with you and that you care less about all of the intricate

problems that we have Lord, but more that you want this relationship with us. You pursue us, you love us, you care about us, and so we thank you Lord for your presence in our lives. In Jesus name, amen.

Becky Harling (31:55.924)
Amen. Hey moms, thanks for joining us today. Remember, you are God's workmanship. You were created uniquely to bring Him glory and to interact with Him. And so I hope you'll join us again next week for another episode where we'll have another real conversation that will help you to connect with God a little more effectively, connect more empathically with your fellow moms, and more intentionally with your child. Thanks for joining us today.